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Requests for project input

Discussion on the renaming of the article Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge

Please see here for a discussion about renaming Allegations of United States support for the Khmer Rouge to United States support for the Khmer Rouge. FOARP (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

RFC on Russian invasion of Ukraine

THere's currently a discussion about whether or not to include North Korea as a co-belligerent. Please feel free to comment. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Peruvian Civil War of 1980–2000#Requested move 19 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 19:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Edwin of Northumbria

Edwin of Northumbria has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Angevin kings of England

Angevin kings of England has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Borsoka (talk) 02:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:RSM-56 Bulava#Requested move 3 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:RSM-56 Bulava#Requested move 3 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Frostly (talk) 06:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Yemeni civil war (2014–present)#Requested move 7 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yemeni civil war (2014–present)#Requested move 7 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 13:13, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

RM to lowercase North Yemen Civil War

An ongoing RM to lowercase is at Talk:North Yemen Civil War#Requested move 28 November 2024. It has been relisted and may be of interest to editors of this WikiProject. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

United Kingdom Special Forces has an RfC

United Kingdom Special Forces has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Melbguy05 (talk) 07:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Wahhabi War#Requested move 26 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wahhabi War#Requested move 26 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 17:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Manbij offensive#Requested move 9 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Manbij offensive#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Capture of Damascus#Requested move 9 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Capture of Damascus#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War#RfC on inclusion of Syrian mercenaries in infobox

Please see subject RfC. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Armenian-occupied territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh#Requested move 18 December 2024

Please see subject discussion. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Battle of Thermopylae

Battle of Thermopylae has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War#Dubious tag

The phrase disputed territory in the territory parameter of the infobox has been tagged as dubious. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 1st Brigade, 7th Infantry Division (United States)

1st Brigade, 7th Infantry Division (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 20:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Mark Kellogg (reporter)

Mark Kellogg (reporter) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of the Java Sea#Recent edits changing scope of article

An editor has effectively changed to scope of the article by incorporating subsequent engagements (with their own stand-alone articles) as being part of this battle. Further input would be welcome. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Henry VIII

Henry VIII has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:12, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Battle of Badr

Battle of Badr has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Italian Ethiopia#Requested move 27 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Italian Ethiopia#Requested move 27 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Wings (1927 film)

Wings (1927 film) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 102nd Intelligence Wing

102nd Intelligence Wing has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Arthur Phillip

Arthur Phillip has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Yom Kippur War#Result

What the result should be in the infobox as a reflection of the body of the article. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Request for input Talk:List of Norfolk airfields

Talk:List of Norfolk airfields has an ongoing discussion regarding the scope of this and potentially other equivalent lists, regarding the inclusion of civilian airfields to a mainly military list. List of former Royal Air Force stations already has a table that can be sorted by county. Also if the list could be replaced by a templates similar to "Template:RAF stations in Lincolnshire" Gavbadger (talk) 20:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Marlin-class submarine

The article Marlin-class submarine has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Could not find reliable sources to establish notability.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Esw01407 (talk) 00:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

If there are reliable sources about this submarine design, some data could be upmerged to the the designer article, DCNS. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 1st Airborne Division (United Kingdom)

1st Airborne Division (United Kingdom) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Spanish Christian–Muslim War of 1172–1212#Requested move 9 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Spanish Christian–Muslim War of 1172–1212#Requested move 9 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 16:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tel al-Sultan attack#Requested move 1 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 17:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Bertrand_Clauzel

Sorry I am new to wiki so apologises if this is the wrong place to ask, I requested peer review following some changes I made to the linked article. LeChatiliers Pupper (talk) 18:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Houthi movement#Requested move 12 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Houthi movement#Requested move 12 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Abo Yemen✉ 18:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion on the infobox result and territorial changes of the Granada War

There is an ongoing discussion on Talk:Granada War about the result and territorial changes on the infobox of the article. Feel free to participate. --RobertJohnson35 (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 8th Military Police Brigade (United States)

8th Military Police Brigade (United States) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Angolan Civil War

Hi all. Recently the infobox to Angolan Civil War has been amended to include a long list of the various nationalities that served as foreign mercenaries or volunteers during that conflict. This results in the respective nations essentially being listed under the "combatants" heading of the infobox. I think this is highly unusual, and most of the other conflict-related articles I've read or revised do not have this feature, even those in which foreign fighters took part, whether as mercenaries or otherwise. As is it seems to make the infobox rather bloated, and I'm in favor of restricting the use of the "combatants" section solely to national governments which participated directly in hostilities. Thoughts? Katangais (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. "From that country" =/= "That country was a combatant". - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd:: Please explain why the listing of different nationalities of mercenaries is necessary in the combatants section of the infobox. I've yet to see this in any other conflict-related article, so I'm genuinely puzzled at its inclusion at Angolan Civil War. --Katangais (talk) 05:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Look at the Iran–Iraq War article for example. You can see under volunteers. We could either:

• • • A. Place the mercenaries under the “units involved” section since the infobox had a Units section
    • B. Keep it as it was SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 05:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Iran–Iraq War lists general foreign fighters as combatants (ie "Shia volunteers" and "Arab volunteers"). The equivalent would be adding "foreign mercenaries" to the combatants list for Angolan Civil War. There's no need to list the individual nationalities of all the mercenaries as separate combatants in the infobox, especially alongside state actors. --Katangais (talk) 07:45, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

We could still list the indiviual nationalities under "units involved" section. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Nationalities are not units. That’s the type of information that would be useful in the body of the article, but too granular for the infobox. --Katangais (talk) 17:29, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

• Mercenaries do not represent their country of origin and should not be presented in a way that suggests they do. They are not state players or a faction in a civil war so they do not belong under "belligerents" in the infobox. They are not a "unit" unless they are organised into a specific unit. Per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, the infobox is not the place for nuance or detail. An extensive list of units would be inappropriate. WP:OTHERCONTENT arguments have no substance unless the other stuff represents best practice - ie two wrongs don't make a right. Cinderella157 (talk) 04:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment#Statistics

Does anyone know how to fix the table at the above location? It's currently showing zero pages in most non-article categories. Looks to be the result of a recent move of these categories eg from Category:Disambig-Class military history articles to Category:Disambig-Class military history pages - Dumelow (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Operation Barbarossa § Proposed lead improvements

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Operation Barbarossa § Proposed lead improvements, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. — Goszei (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Missing basing topic: weapon range

Has ru, pl and bg interwikis at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q4154317 - but I was surprised to find nothing on en or in most other languages. Seems like a basic and notable military topic. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:18, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Chyah airstrike#Requested move 6 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chyah airstrike#Requested move 6 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 15:15, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Is "Howitzers of similar caliber, role, era, and capability" redudant?

Many articles (narrowly artillery, but we also do this for aircraft engines) include a list under their 'See also' section for a list of Howitzers of similar caliber, role, era, and capability, i.e. 155mm towed artillery of the '70s. Is this redudant [sic] ?

I reverted this, prompting a comment here. But then realised that they'd blanked a whole bunch of them too: Special:Contributions/Eurohunter (20 Jan 2025). I would support restoring the lot. It's a useful section for a comparison and pointer to related articles. Very far from "there is no point in doing this."

Thoughts? @Eurohunter: Andy Dingley (talk) 18:09, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Me and other people already removed similar redundant lists from articles about tanks. This is just a list of other howitizers unrelated to this one. The whole point of see also is to add links to articles which haven't been mentioned yet in the article, so once they are mentioned in the article you remove them from see also - in this case there are just unrelated articles which will never be described in the text as it has nothing to do unless you have sources for some kind of comparison. Eurohunter (talk) 18:14, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

I think you ought to read WP:SEEALSO, which does not support your argument, Eurohunter. Parsecboy (talk) 18:16, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

@Parsecboy: Are you sure? "A "See also" section is a useful way to organize internal links to related or comparable articles and build the web". Eurohunter (talk) 19:44, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

What are other, similar howitzers of the same period if not "comparable articles"? Parsecboy (talk) 20:22, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

@Parsecboy: How it makes it comparable? There should be direct source which clearly indicate comparison in some way - some kind of professional review, opinion from forces etc. Eurohunter (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Because that's what the the word "comparable" means? There are no sources required to identify articles that meet that basic definition. Parsecboy (talk) 23:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Now you're just shifting goalposts in the hope that something will stick. You first claimed that these comparisons were redundant. Now you're claiming they're so significant that they must be easily sourceable. Which is it? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, "See also" exists for a reason, and it's not the reason Eurohunter apparently thinks it is. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Andy Dingley: I don't know for what or I'm not sure what do you want to say by "Now you're" - so simpy the answer is both answers are correct. These lists (SPAM) were redundant to these articles, as there was no any criteria to add them - they were just random - why do not add 3, 4 or 15 more yet? There is no reason to cancel edits and they should be restored. If they are comparable then they shoud be mentioned in text with sources - this is far connection to these articles, so if you add them to section see also without any description it's very not clear why they are there. For this reason I didn't removed some see also as there was reason provided why they are there. Eurohunter (talk) 21:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

The see also section is expressly for similar or related articles that do not warrant being included in the prose. You need to revert your edits to the affected articles, as they are entirely without merit or basis in policy, procedure, or precedent. Parsecboy (talk) 00:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@Parsecboy: "The see also section is expressly for similar or related articles that do not warrant being included in the prose" - yes but it's not reason to add whole lists of unrelated articles (SPAM). There is no any description after link. Eurohunter (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Except that they are related based on weapon type, caliber, and function. You would have a case if someone added a 20mm antiaircraft gun to the 155mm howitzer article being discussed, but the weapons in the list presented are all similar in caliber, type, and function. These lists are quite helpful if a reader wants to see what other kinds of howitzers were used during the time period in question. Calling them SPAM is ridiculous. Intothatdarkness 15:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@Intothatdarkness: There was no any description after link. Anyway, I could understand if these would be previous or next models of this same manufacturer, just not mentioned yet in the text or artilerry of other manufacturers but with something especially relted to be written in the articke in the future. Article should explain all related articlery, not see also sction. In this way we could focus on making see also lists than writting articles. If 100 countries would have comparable own artillery, would you add all of them? There are lists such as List of artillery by country or more lists at List of artillery by type. Why not just them? Eurohunter (talk) 19:58, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned it makes more sense to deal with this as is being done now. Your argument is not persuasive. Intothatdarkness 02:21, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Behind Enemy Lines (1986 film)#Requested move 19 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Behind Enemy Lines (1986 film)#Requested move 19 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 19:19, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

List of wars involving the United States

List of wars involving the United States could use some attention from experience editors. Despite the accessibility concerns and lack of sources...there seems to be a little criteria for the list. Not sure how something like Operation Ocean Shield is a war. Seems to be confusion between military assistance, military interventions and military deployments etc. Moxy🍁 23:02, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Not sure if this is the right place to respond, but I'll do it anyway. The reason for this is because in reality it's meant to be a list of armed conflicts, not just specifically wars. Every "List of wars involving" page does it this way. Obviously the title doesn't exactly correlate to the topic, but at this point I feel like you either just have to deal with it (either way they are very simple and recognisable titles) or go out of your way to try and rename hundreds of pages like this. Setergh (talk) 12:34, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@Setergh: @Moxy: Why do not move these articles to lists such as List of armed conflicts involving the United States? Eurohunter (talk) 20:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Up to you, but once again, you'd be forced to do this to hundreds of pages. You might as well just leave it, it's quite a recognisable title anyway and gets the point across. Setergh (talk) 21:20, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Pacific War § Proposed lead improvements

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Pacific War § Proposed lead improvements, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. — Goszei (talk) 23:18, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Polish–Ottoman War

Please see Talk:Polish–Ottoman War (1620–1621)#RFC: How should the war be characterized in the infobox? WhatamIdoing (talk) 08:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Comments

There are comments at Talk:Al-Faddayn that might be of interest to editors here. -- Otr500 (talk) 11:12, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Comments on Notes section

There are comments at Talk:Fourth Fitna, that may be of interest to editors, especially any on the Middle East, Medieval, or Early Muslim task forces. -- Otr500 (talk) 12:19, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Colt's Manufacturing Company#Requested move 13 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Colt's Manufacturing Company#Requested move 13 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:01, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war#Requested move 15 January 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of towns and villages depopulated during the 1947–1949 Palestine war#Requested move 15 January 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 19:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

citations Q

Why is orig-year being replaced by orig-date? Thanks Keith-264 (talk) 13:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

|orig-date= is the canonical form and |orig-year= is the alias.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, as far as I know, 1925 is a year not a date, hence orig-year or am I under a misapprehension? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 17:39, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

As 23 January 1925 is a date, so too is 1925; both |orig-date=23 January 1925 and |orig-date=1925 are semantically correct. The reverse is not true: 1925 is a year date, but 23 January 1925 is not a year date. |orig-date= became the canonical and preferred form because editors complained about the dissonance of |orig-year=23 January 1925.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 20:49, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Why not both? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 22:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by that question.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:03, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

List of your articles that are in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, 2025

Currently, this project has about ~673 594 554 articles in need of some reference cleanup. Basically, some short references created via {{sfn}} and {{harvnb}} and similar templates have missing full citations or have some other problems. This is usually caused by templates misuse or by copy-pasting a short reference from another article without adding the full reference, or because a full reference is not making use of citation templates like {{cite book}} (see Help:CS1) or {{citation}} (see Help:CS2). To easily see which citation is in need of cleanup, you can check these instructions to enable error messages (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist the monk's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper cleanup). See also how to resolve issues.

These could use some of your attention

To do

1. Baron Munchausen
2. Battle of New Orleans
3. Battle of Noryang
4. Battle of Rey (1059)
5. Battle of Shumshu
6. Battle of Taejon
7. Battle of the Soyang River
8. Battle of the Yellow Sea
9. Benjamin Netanyahu
10. British Army during the Second World War
11. Campaign history of the Roman military
12. Christiaan de Wet
13. Classis Germanica
14. Crusade of 1101
15. Defense of Sihang Warehouse
16. Donald A. Lowrie
17. Dutch–Mataram conflicts
18. Emir Lümanov
19. Farmers' Freedom Force
20. François de Coligny
21. French invasion of Egypt and Syria
22. Grand Union Flag
23. Guarda costa
24. HMAS Sydney (D48)
25. HMS Tuscarora
26. Hannes Trautloft
27. Hector
28. Henry Norwest
29. Hugh O'Donnell, 2nd Earl of Tyrconnell
30. Ii Naomasa
31. John J. Pershing
32. Kadi Burhan al-Din
33. Karl Witzell
34. Kashmir Civil War (1419–1420)
35. Kievan succession crisis of 1015–1019
36. Kingdom of Serbia (1718–1739)
37. Korean–Jurchen border conflicts
38. Lebanese Forces (militia)
39. Leningrad Military District
40. Leopold I of Belgium
41. Lev Mekhlis
42. Liberation of Krujë (1443)
43. List of 40 mm grenades
44. List of Black Sea incidents involving Russia and Ukraine
45. List of Ottoman grand viziers
46. List of armed conflicts involving Poland against Ukraine
47. List of battles between Mughals and Sikhs
48. List of battles in Rajasthan
49. List of battles involving Georgia (country)
50. List of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
51. List of equipment of the Australian Army
52. List of equipment of the Syrian Army
53. List of massacres in Kosovo
54. List of military equipment of Turkey 1939-1945
55. List of wars involving Latvia
56. List of wars involving Russia
57. List of wars involving Serbia
58. Lithuanian Wars of Independence
59. Louis III of France
60. Louis Nouveau
61. Lushai Expedition
62. Lushai Expedition (1869)
63. Lyndon B. Johnson
64. M-1956 load-carrying equipment
65. M1879 Reichsrevolver
66. M4 Sherman
67. MG 151 cannon
68. MG FF cannon
69. Maki Mirage
70. Malay–Portuguese conflicts
71. Mallian campaign
72. Mamluk Sultanate
73. Maratha–Sikh clashes
74. Margaret Thatcher
75. Maritz rebellion
76. Maslama ibn Abd al-Malik
77. Materials MASINT
78. Matilda of Tuscany
79. Medieval Serbian noble titles
80. Medium Mark C
81. Miguel Enríquez's corsair fleet
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551. Władysław Wiecierzyński
552. Yazid I
553. Zia-ul-Haq
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Proposed deletion of Projekt TYTAN

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Advanced Helicopter Training

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Air Base Ground Defense

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